Lt. Mingenbach's Testimony

                Aircraft F-89C SN 51-5853A

     The Aircraft Accident Board convened on 5 December 1953 at 0930  at Kinross Air Force Base to determine the cause and make recommendations relative to the aircraft accident involving an F-89C SN 51-5853A piloted by 1st Lt. Felix E Mancla, Jr. AO 1858910, which disappeared on an active air defense mission.

     The Aircraft Accident Board was established by S.O. 110, paragraph 8, dated 21 July 1953, Headquarters, 534th Air Defense Group as amended by S.O. 163, paragraph 3, dated 28 September 1953 and S.O. 164, paragraph 19, dated 29 September 1953.

     The following members were present: 

           Major Harry H.. Caseleman . . . . . . . . President

           Major Forrest F. Parham . . . . . . . . . Alternate President 

           Capt. David C. Collins  . . . . . . . . . Aircraft Accident
                                                     Investigating Officer

           Capt. Harry Johnson . . . . . . . . . . . Member

           Capt. Daniel W. Shea  . . . . . . . . . . Medical  Officer

     The aircraft forms and the statements of the GCI Controller and Lt. Mingenback were reviewed and discussed by the board, and it was considered essential that Lt. Mingenback appear personnaly before the board to clarify the statement that he had possibly heard a radio transmission from Lt. Mancla while he was airborne approximately one hour after Lt. Mancla became airborne.

It was also considered essential to call on Lt. Stuart to clarify the times when radio contact was lost and when IF and radar contact were lost.

     The board adjourned at 10:50 to be recalled at the request of the president.

     The Aircraft Accident Board reconvened at 10:45, 8 December, 1953 at Kinross Air Force Base to determine the cause and make recommendations relative to the aircraft accident involving an F-89C SN 51-5853A piloted by 1st Lt. Felix E Moncla, Jr. AO 1858910, which disappeared on an active air defense mission.

     The Aircraft Accident Board was established by S.O. 110, paragraph 8, dated 21 July 1953, Headquarters, 534th Air Defense Group as amended by S.O. 163, paragraph 3, dated 28 September 1953 and S.O. 164, paragraph 19, dated 29 September 1953.

     The following members were present:

          Major Harry H.. Caseleman . . . . . . . . President

           Major Forrest F. Parham . . . . . . . . . Alternate President

           Capt. David C. Collins  . . . . . . . . . Aircraft Accident     
                                                    
Investigating Officer

           Capt. Harry Johnson . . . . . . . . . . . Member

           Capt. Daniel W. Shea  . . . . . . . . . . Medical  Officer

     Additional leads uncovered during the later course of the investigation indicated that there might be a possibility that Lt. Mancla subjective to attacks of Vertigo in a little more than normal degree. Upon pursuing these leads, it was discovered that statements had been made by former members of Lt. Manclas organization but were not first hand evidence and were regarded as heresay. A statement was made by Lt. Mingenbach which related to a transmission made by the F-89 aircraft and, for these reasons his presence is requested at the accident board meeting today.

Lt. William A. Mingenback was called before the accident board and duly sworn in.

Q.  State your full name, rank, serial number and organization.

A.  William Alexander Mingenback, 2nd Lt. AO 2223270 433rd Fighter-Interceptor Squadron

Q.  Lt. Mingenbach, do you identify the statement which I have just handed you as being a statement which you made?

A.  Yes.

Q.  You state about 1935 is when you heard this transmission. Are you certain about that time?

A.  It is difficult to know whether it was 1935 or 1945; it may have been 1950.

Q.  Are you sure about the 19th hour?

A.  Yes, sir.

Q.  It’s pretty certain it was the 19th hour?

A.  I would say later than 1930 and earlier than 1950.

Q.  You were airborne about 1915?

A.  Yes sir, 50 minutes after Lt. Mancla was.

Q.  Were you able to recognize any words or phrases that were spoken?

A.  Sir, when the transmission came I believe I was saying something to my radar observer, therefore when I read this in the UHF I immediately stopped talking, but since my mind was on a different subject - I believe he said "I think we had better" and then several other words that I do not remember were stated. It was broke in after the sentence was started  and cut out after it was finished. It sounded like an accidental transmission if it was transmitted by a weak transmitter it may have been on the air some time before I picked it up. When it came through, it was 3x3 or 4x4 full volume and clear.

Q.  Are you sure it wasn’t the control.

A.  Sir, it was either Lt. Mancla or Lt. Nordeck. I questioned my radar observer later and he said it sounded like Lt. Mancla. It was a southern accent.

Q.  The only reason why you think it could have been Mancla was due to the accent?

A.  Yes sir, his voice was very recognizable on the radio. I had flown with him frequently in the past year. I believe I could recognize 85 or 90 percent of our squadron on the radio.

Q.  You can’t recall any of the words he said except "I think we better"?

A.  Sir, that’s all I could get out of it. If I thought hard enough, I might come up with an answer that might not be correct. I am not certain enough to make a positive and useful statement to anyone. I also want to emphasize that I am not positive it was his voice not so much as I thought it would be worthy of inclosure in my statement?

Q.  You made this attempt to contact on UHF or VHF?

A.  UHF

Q.  Did it sound to you by the tone of his voice that it was a routine transmission to his radar observer or hurried or excited?

A.  Gene was not liable to panic under any conditions. His voice did not seem excited. It was a normal transmission. It's hard to tell by just a short transmission. The words weren’t hurried.  He always speaks at the same rate of speed whether he is in a hurry or not, very close to his manner of speech.